tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post1685386161495454842..comments2023-12-07T00:44:23.610-08:00Comments on The Trojan Heron: San Juan County's Lil WayneECKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13031277544085651063noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-115064787504343792013-01-12T21:50:30.719-08:002013-01-12T21:50:30.719-08:00You are correct. Money pales in value compared to ...You are correct. Money pales in value compared to the damage done to the public. (I would still like to hurl a few over ripe tomatoes.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-38044451502134056702013-01-12T18:43:16.338-08:002013-01-12T18:43:16.338-08:00Isn't the point ultimately less about the &quo...Isn't the point ultimately less about the "free skating" and more about the validity of the decisions made under the influence of the meetings? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-83922110214109238922013-01-12T18:10:55.718-08:002013-01-12T18:10:55.718-08:00Heck, 30 meetings comes to a lousy three grand. I&...Heck, 30 meetings comes to a lousy three grand. I'm an unabashed liberal and I paid more than that to CSA in backing that honest effort to get these jerks to listen to the public.<br /><br />Let em break rocks while we throw over ripe tomatoes at them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-69266769927672596742013-01-12T17:33:35.926-08:002013-01-12T17:33:35.926-08:00I could be wrong, but didn't the editor of the...I could be wrong, but didn't the editor of the Island Guardian once get into a bit of a public tiff with Pratt about whether or not these meetings should be open to the public?<br /><br />Remember, Pratt, was unable to wrap her mind around the concept of Conflict of Interest in her efforts to vote on the public trough funding of the brick works.<br /><br />The OPMA may have been a mental challenge for her too.<br /><br />I do think they all might skate free using the "Advice of Council" gambit. The PD dilemma is richly deserved by all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-53207790931630144132013-01-12T12:37:50.275-08:002013-01-12T12:37:50.275-08:00Watch out for the advice of counsel defense based ...Watch out for the advice of counsel defense based on Mr. Gaylord's original, incorrect legal opinion with regard to whether or not the OMA applied to the gatherings (which were, of course, for scheduling purposes only, according to at least one participant). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-45204153610241284812013-01-12T12:19:33.423-08:002013-01-12T12:19:33.423-08:00I think the public got hurt in this case. Now we&#...I think the public got hurt in this case. Now we're just trying to figure out who to hold accountable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-68395059929545648592013-01-12T12:03:50.939-08:002013-01-12T12:03:50.939-08:00The PD is such a good way to look at this situatio...The PD is such a good way to look at this situation. There are only two strategies to insure anything resembling a beneficial outcome in PD. Either all the parties collude, or they try to save themselves, in this case by telling the truth when others do not. You could see this whole situation in game theory terms because all the parties tried to collude in the CAO secret meetings, but collusion is an unstable equilibrium and always breaks down after a while. The only stable equilibrium is the Nash equilibrium which occurs where everyone ruthlessly pursues their own self interest and tries to save their skin by telling the truth.<br /><br />Whoever doesn't tell the truth in these depositions is counting on collusion to save them. Big mistake from a game theory point of view. Paraphrasing Gene Hackman's character in the movie Unforgiven, "And when their lies ain't the same as your lies... Well, I ain't gonna hurt no woman."<br /><br />Who gets hurt in this case remains to be seen.Nash Equilibriumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-48419728472631552092013-01-12T11:43:59.601-08:002013-01-12T11:43:59.601-08:00The fines are $100 per violation of the OPMA, but ...The fines are $100 per violation of the OPMA, but we never know where the evidence will take the suit either. A few posts back, this situation was referred to as a classic prisoners dilemma. It is. It could go sideways for the participants if they are not forthcoming. And if they aren't forthcoming, I'd hate to be in their shoes.<br /><br />There is an old joke about a high school teacher and four students who were late to class one day. The four students walked in late, and told the teacher that they their car had a flat tire. The teacher accepted their excuse and told them that they had missed a short quiz and would have to make it up before they could rejoin the rest of the class. He put each of the students in a corner of the room, and the teacher said, "There's only one question to this quiz. I want each of you to write down on a piece of paper which tire had the flat."<br /><br />We have three depositions already. I don't know what they say, but each has told us which tire was flat. Up next, it's Shireene's turn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-47949619325164446692013-01-12T11:06:26.564-08:002013-01-12T11:06:26.564-08:00I remember Lovel saying something about how import...I remember Lovel saying something about how important public participation was ... mumble ... mumble ...<br /><br />But yes, she tried to get out ahead of the curve when this issue first hit the fan.<br /><br />If intentional then corruption.<br /><br />If not intentional, then negligence.<br /><br />Which would you rather be, a crook or a fool?<br /><br />Either way is toast. No way out. The fines are I think $100 per violation, dunno, does that mean times 30 meetings or whatever?<br /><br />And everyone will know, forever.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-63880789039562075882013-01-12T09:56:11.403-08:002013-01-12T09:56:11.403-08:00Didn't I hear that Lovell said she was the &qu...Didn't I hear that Lovell said she was the "first one" to express concern about the legality of the meetings? Does anyone know? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-69592340337153827672013-01-12T09:15:10.241-08:002013-01-12T09:15:10.241-08:00Intentional or not, this is a huge issue. If it wa...Intentional or not, this is a huge issue. If it was intentional, then that equates to corruption and trying to circumvent the process. I'd it was done out of ignorance, with a claim of "not knowing" then they are clearly wholly unqualified to hold the positions they do. <br /><br />Where do I send money??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-1656777714365881292013-01-12T08:37:44.448-08:002013-01-12T08:37:44.448-08:00The knowing or intentional violation of the Act ma...The knowing or intentional violation of the Act may provide a legal basis for RECALL of elected officials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com