tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post3172747547953163429..comments2023-12-07T00:44:23.610-08:00Comments on The Trojan Heron: Another Fine Mess On OrcasECKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13031277544085651063noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-16730492924087633662013-03-22T18:31:27.379-07:002013-03-22T18:31:27.379-07:00Is that an attempt to make lite of this? Does any ...Is that an attempt to make lite of this? Does any home no matter how primitive deserve less protection than yours?<br />I don't think so, not in the real worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-80323544211442386042013-03-22T17:06:37.295-07:002013-03-22T17:06:37.295-07:00@8:54
Who has been put out of their home??
I thou...@8:54<br />Who has been put out of their home??<br /><br />I thought this was a shed??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-23163204569352890122013-03-22T08:59:26.206-07:002013-03-22T08:59:26.206-07:00Where is our county council? "Right NOW"...Where is our county council? "Right NOW"<br />to admonish these actions<br />Where are the Candidates? "Right NOW"<br />to admonish these actionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-62801457003003696402013-03-22T08:54:08.369-07:002013-03-22T08:54:08.369-07:00Its bad now and it will only get worse. The Citize...Its bad now and it will only get worse. The Citizens need to be at those planning commission hearings to beg the commission to do their part to protect the people from this misrepresentation. Administration of a building code was never intended, to puts people out of their homes, "to make them safer".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-42835620623210649932013-03-21T09:56:46.568-07:002013-03-21T09:56:46.568-07:00The even bigger issue is the use of Polaris agains...The even bigger issue is the use of Polaris against its own citizens. <br />Pay attention, Stan Matthews just presented to council to update the aerial photos at a pricetag of @ 140,000 which is not in the budget or a priority item for this council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-66578741612789361422013-03-21T09:02:35.195-07:002013-03-21T09:02:35.195-07:00We can't let disgruntled citizens become the e...We can't let disgruntled citizens become the excuse for allowing government to become a weapon to destroy island businesses and island lives.<br /><br />What happened to Craftsman's Corner should not have happened (and shouldn't still be happening). What happened to the Speeds shouldn't have happened (at least not the WAY it happened).<br /><br />The Speeds and others should not have complained against Pearson, but that does not excuse what happened to the Speeds.<br /><br />I wish that both the Speeds and Pearson, along with their supporters and detractors, would focus on the way the government behaved in both situations, because their behavior was inexcusable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-41885749367553189612013-03-21T08:25:25.701-07:002013-03-21T08:25:25.701-07:00Abuse of Process & Power
Please pay particula...Abuse of Process & Power<br /><br />Please pay particular attention to the elected county players in this scenario.<br /><br />Randy Gaylord the prosecuting attorney for our county knew that retalitory actions were afoot and still proceeded in concert with the CDP and the disgruntled citizen to bring criminal charges based on a building code issue, using aerial images and Assessor's records.<br /><br />Rob Nou, our newly elected county sheriff signed a declaration in support of an armed search warrant based solely on a declaration of Chris Laws, the enforcement officer of CDP, that only had as evidence google and Polaris aerial images (only a roof), Assessor's records and Mr Laws unsupported assumptions. Remember, this is civil issue, Bill Cummins, would never have allowed the Sheriff's department to engage in this type of activity that erodes the relationship between the Sheriff's department and the citizens of SJC . Is this where the extra tax revenue is being spent? <br /><br />And finally, Judge Andrews. The signing of this search warrant that contained huge omissions, few if any facts, and the refusal to remove himself from hearing the motion to dismiss or suppress, that would be evaluating his own actions in this case bring his neutrality and ethics as a judge into focus. Andrews was willing to go along with the mob rather than drill down deeper before an illegal search occurred with his consent.<br /><br />The question is do these three individuals represent we the people of San Juan County, and the community's welfare and well being ?<br /><br />Next time they are up for election I would request that you contemplate their present actions, and communicate that actions have consequences.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-69185767272812757332013-03-21T07:33:54.647-07:002013-03-21T07:33:54.647-07:00Is it true Rene Beliveau,director of CD& P onl...Is it true Rene Beliveau,director of CD& P only has a green card? Isn't he the one given huge discretion and power to; interpret our codes and laws, and to enforce and pursue local citizens of our county?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-567300871248562702013-03-21T04:48:58.266-07:002013-03-21T04:48:58.266-07:00Poor Trayvon. Skittles and Iced tea. Poor Trayvon. Skittles and Iced tea. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-91759804097659545662013-03-20T22:40:03.935-07:002013-03-20T22:40:03.935-07:00@10:36
That is a damn fine summary of the situati...@10:36<br /><br />That is a damn fine summary of the situation. Well done and thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-10257480050357753202013-03-20T22:38:26.506-07:002013-03-20T22:38:26.506-07:00Left out the most important part: no neighbor can ...Left out the most important part: no neighbor can see anything. Bogus claims about neighbors' rights being violated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-78520329099250183122013-03-20T22:36:41.444-07:002013-03-20T22:36:41.444-07:00Looks like Planning & "Community Developm...Looks like Planning & "Community Development" have succeeded in deflecting the blame (it is theirs) and getting folks to blame each other. Sure, the Craftsman Corner story is beyond disturbing. CDP failed in several different ways to do its job. They issued a permit. End of story. Then some people challenged the permit. It was too late. Law says permit was issued. Quibbling about use goes on. Small businessman is screwed. Small businessman goes to CDP with serial photo claiming building is home. He's never been to property; he isn't required to fill a complaint. CDP gets search warrant claiming they know what's going on; they don't. It goes on and on and you know what, it divides the community over and over again--why? Because CDP failed to do its job, got publicly humiliated (not that it matters--these people cannot be fired) and saw an opportunity for retaliation. Everybody happy now? What's the root cause of the division here? We have a history of nasty, vindictive individuals in power, and people are afraid even to tell their stories. I don't care if the couple you are talking about have an ag shed or a house shed; why not just tell them what they need for a permit, like you would for everybody else in the county. Then they can pay taxes. But no, the PA decides to prosecute them as criminals. Good work all round. Our taxpayer dollars at work. Seemed like the judge may have realized that something wasn't kosher here. We'll all find out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-35547073602652053672013-03-20T13:07:57.572-07:002013-03-20T13:07:57.572-07:00The COMMUNITY feels that any use of your land dist...The COMMUNITY feels that any use of your land disturbs the COMMUNITY'S consensus of itself so the COMMUNITY feels you should be stopped from doing anything on your land.<br /><br />The COMMUNITY will be holding a design charette to decide what will happen on your land for COMMUNITY benefit. The COMMUNITY will would appreciate it if you just packed up and moved away, but before you go, can we please have all your money?Cathy Communitariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-19617323505502808172013-03-20T12:59:33.818-07:002013-03-20T12:59:33.818-07:00I think I'll build a 100' tall building ri...I think I'll build a 100' tall building right on my neighbor's property line - it's my land dammit! Too bad it ruins my neighbor's view of Mt. Constitution and is totally contrary to the County Code (ie the law). Wait - my neighbor is doing the same? What's the number for Code Enforcement? I want him in jail ASAP!Libertarian Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-56944398534108161942013-03-20T12:38:57.085-07:002013-03-20T12:38:57.085-07:00Actually I was thinking of building a strip bar ne...Actually I was thinking of building a strip bar next to a school or day care. <br /><br />It's my damn land. I'll be damned if some Bullshit zoning ordinance is going to stop me. Hells bells people this is America. Land of the Free. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-25392405458571459122013-03-20T12:02:01.741-07:002013-03-20T12:02:01.741-07:00@11:46
Exactly right. If you can pass the SEPA r...@11:46<br /><br />Exactly right. If you can pass the SEPA requirements, the NPDES requirements, the air permitting, and the thousands of other laws already on the books, go ahead and build your lead smelter.<br /><br />The problem with the County's philosophy of planning is the mistaken belief that no other laws exist. We already have thousands of state and federal laws that apply to us even if there were nothing -- absolutely nothing-- in our county code.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-47562192784098595372013-03-20T11:46:50.402-07:002013-03-20T11:46:50.402-07:00@11:19
I'm guessing you were going to say tha...@11:19<br /><br />I'm guessing you were going to say that your hobbies included something like "building a lead smelter" or something. Of course, if you are Bob Gamble you try to regulate so that people "don't put a lead smelter in a buffer." I believe those are his words from a Planning Commission meeting.<br /><br />All these scare-tactic-based laws are just a bunch of baloney, especially because the people who run everything here get around them anyway.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-13443773030223733812013-03-20T11:30:59.947-07:002013-03-20T11:30:59.947-07:00In reply to @11:16, yes, for me darn near anything...In reply to @11:16, yes, for me darn near anything goes. Why do we have a silly fence law? Who cares? Why do we have 99% of the planning laws that we have. Who cares?<br /><br />Brother, folks get so worked up over whether a sink or a bedroom is permitted. Who cares? When did planning come into existence anyway? We probably existed as a country for what -- 150 years -- without planning this and planning that.<br /><br />Planning is 99% (okay, I'll be conservative and say 90%) total bullshit. Most of it is control for control's sake with none of the hypothetical benefit to society. That's how it's sold to the public -- we need X and we need Y to make the community safe. B f'ing S.<br /><br />I am sick of planners. I am sick of stupid building requirements. I am sick of the people who think that planning and building requirements should be backed by uber-enforcement.<br /><br />Do what you want, and leave me alone in the process. Start a business. Nurture your family in a substandard home. Just get on with it and get CDPD, the PSP, and every other busy body out of here.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-19754315763642775032013-03-20T11:19:57.605-07:002013-03-20T11:19:57.605-07:00@11:16
Can you provide a list of all the other la...@11:16<br /><br />Can you provide a list of all the other laws we should ignore??<br /><br />So if you build a big enough fence, anything goes.??<br /><br />Hell, I'll support that. <br /><br />Can't wait. I have some nifty hobbies that I would like to explore. IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-13266836118863946482013-03-20T11:16:10.965-07:002013-03-20T11:16:10.965-07:00Everyone (okay, almost everyone) knows the couple ...Everyone (okay, almost everyone) knows the couple (at least the man) in this case have pulled a lot of crap on a lot of people over the years. They are not heroes.<br /><br />They probably did build a home in a small building and are trying to get away with it. They may be guilty as sin. We will have to wait for the various decisions to come down.<br /><br />Nevertheless, take the least defensible person in our community, and ask yourself if you would like the County to treat them this way. Do we want to devote this much time and energy to what people do in the privacy of their own homes, even if it is un-permitted?<br /><br />Why does anyone care what they live in or how they live their life, as long as they are not bothering anyone else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-67798642954733594722013-03-20T11:10:15.012-07:002013-03-20T11:10:15.012-07:00LIE #1 in the story
"the couple was issued a...LIE #1 in the story<br /><br />"the couple was issued a summons as they were being charged"<br /><br />Court records indicate that a single individual has been charged, not the couple. I know the whole family line makes for a better story. As a previous poster mentioned, you are not entitled to your own facts. <br /><br />The list of lies will grow. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-48413658815758431072013-03-20T10:12:50.481-07:002013-03-20T10:12:50.481-07:00It's too bad that the TH chose this story to u...It's too bad that the TH chose this story to use an an example of anything meaningful.<br /><br />This story is less about the county, and more about bad ethics and bad behavior on the part of every party involved. The people who are player in this have built their own hell - both sides - and now they need to live with it.<br /><br />this supposedly innocent couple is just as guilty as the developer (who by the way, that is a strecth to call him). Yes, the county had a small role in this story, but at the root of this entire issue is 2 parties, both equally stupid and both asking for trouble.<br /><br />Sorry to say but if you ack like an ass - eventually you are gonna end up with shi*.Pears Sonspeednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-9708693733852005422013-03-20T09:34:48.328-07:002013-03-20T09:34:48.328-07:00Here's another story on the court case/search:...Here's another story on the court case/search:<br /><br />http://www.sanjuanislander.com/island-newshome/more/san-juan-county-prosecutor/5412-search-warrant-for-unpermitted-untaxed-residence-challenged-in-court-today<br /><br />Mark Twainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-26583426654809531482013-03-20T07:50:34.179-07:002013-03-20T07:50:34.179-07:00Wide of the mark with comparisons to Jones or Dalt...Wide of the mark with comparisons to Jones or Dalton. Try Vivien Burnet inserting herself in other people's business forgetting what's in her own backyard. I'd save the outrage until we find out more about the court case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-90670192462152853812013-03-20T07:25:51.340-07:002013-03-20T07:25:51.340-07:00Sounds like our very own Travyon Martin. Sweet, in...Sounds like our very own Travyon Martin. Sweet, innocent Trayvon. A victim's victim. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com