tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post5405604275560935377..comments2023-12-07T00:44:23.610-08:00Comments on The Trojan Heron: Conservation District Watch: Conservation District = Stewardship NetworkECKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13031277544085651063noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-18268557594173625992013-08-12T13:32:14.720-07:002013-08-12T13:32:14.720-07:00To 8:39:
Why are WE so nasty? You don't see M...To 8:39:<br /><br />Why are WE so nasty? You don't see Mrs. Hale's incompetence and misrepresentation ("you can keep doin' what you're doin'"--only a few parcels will be affected) and insubordination with respect to numerous direct orders from council as problematical? We're being mean, but she's ruining people's lives, and at great cost to the taxpayers. What's the point of saying anything to her face? She'd call the sheriff and have you arrested for "threatening" her. Yes, we're all ashamed of yourselves; I guess you need to take us out to the woodshed (or is it to Miss Manners?) <br /><br />Who the hell do we think we are? Citizens who are fed up with the BS and with people who complain about the niceties of public discourse while tolerating rampant abuse from government. <br /><br />Who said anyone hates everyone who moved up here in the past few years? Greed? And is that rampant property-ownership jealousy I hear? Sorry that we own property and pay taxes that support all your friends, but I don't know anyone who's making big bucks from their land. All of us want to live here and be left alone. Sheesh.<br /><br />or at least find some courage and say things to people's faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-23502911959063766662013-08-12T13:10:16.453-07:002013-08-12T13:10:16.453-07:00Shireene Hale in the private sector? That's o...Shireene Hale in the private sector? That's one of the funniest things I've heard since arriving on these shores lo these many years ago. A health inspector who fell into a planning job in Idaho or Montana or somesuch then washed up on our shores, where the great Pete Rose hired her and her husband, can't write a coherent sentence or compose a coherent thought, much less a rational regulatory scheme. It's a miracle that she's been employed at all outside her home state. She's never get a position within the private sector. We can only hope that the state govt is so grateful for her "work" that they Peter principle her into something outside our county.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-77119580215807536302013-08-11T08:48:20.123-07:002013-08-11T08:48:20.123-07:00A mini initiative can't be used for this. A mi...A mini initiative can't be used for this. A mini initiative must present an ordinance of some kind, a new law.<br /><br />So, in the spirit of "there oughta be a law" to prevent this kind of bureaucratic mayhem from ever occurring again, a mini initiative would be a good start.<br /><br />I think an ordinance that really spells out how all planning policy MUST be held consistent with ALL chapters of our Comprehensive Plan would be a good start.<br /><br />And then, let's compel this Council to hold serious consistency hearings on the CAO, regardless of what the GHMB comes up with, and before next March before the real horror begins.<br /><br />Because this is Shirene's legacy from the pathetic rubber stamp "consistency hearing" ... she violated Council instructions, thumbed her nose at the public, and threw our Comprehensive Plan under the bus.<br /><br />We need to fix that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-73709658093652176972013-08-10T21:41:39.344-07:002013-08-10T21:41:39.344-07:00Shirene, I don't know how else to put this, we...Shirene, I don't know how else to put this, we simply cannot afford you.<br /><br />Maybe a better fit for you is a larger county government with more money. I can tell you we ain't got it.<br /><br />Perhaps the private sector would like to have a person with your experience, but we can no longer pay the money pit you put us in.<br /><br />Good luck, we wish you well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-43478434576057992052013-08-10T21:30:50.773-07:002013-08-10T21:30:50.773-07:00Like I said it is tough to fire people, but I thin...Like I said it is tough to fire people, but I think Bob should take a shot at it, just to experience what it takes.<br /><br />Maybe start with someone other than Ms. Hale?<br /><br />I agree she is first runner up. Who can afford to have this person on staff? Her ancillary costs are horrific.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-71028729199093005622013-08-10T13:48:10.002-07:002013-08-10T13:48:10.002-07:00Has it been another week gone by? Yet another 3,00...Has it been another week gone by? Yet another 3,000 dollars of your hard earned taxpayer money gone, lining the pockets of the Hales. <br />Let's look at the benefits. Well a list of, Ed's accomplishments would fit neatly on a postage stamp size parchment made of unobtainium. Doesn't take much space to write "NONE". <br />Shireene, on the other hand, has a lengthy list of accomplishments. Problem is, they all start with the phrase in the matter of"Xxxxxx vs. San Juan County". Quite an accomplishment. Getting the county involved in a volume of litigation far surpassing anything we have ever seen locally, by orders of magnitude. <br />Absolutely no humility. Not a single iota of "whooops I screwed this up royally". Nope. Now it is time to shift the blame. Because clearly, this is everyone's fault except Hale. <br />Too bad she can do what is right, set aside her ego and false sense of inflated self importance, and resign. Hell, maybe the county can even give her a fat severance. It would be worth it. <br />We know what's his name from Lopez won't do anything to one of the machines own, not without the say so from his handlers Sandy and Rhea. Bob, well I am sure he knows the extent of her incompetence. Problem is he needs one other to go along with him. That leaves Rick. Mr independent. Given his success in business, I can't believe he allows the Hale dog and pony bullshit show to continue. Hopefully it is on his radar. Rick, are you listening!? Help the healing begin. <br />In the mean time we should look at a mini initiative. Any legal opinions if that would fly? Only need 300 to 400 signatures to put it to a council up or down vote. Again, it would likely come down to Hughes. Rick, save us. <br />The list of her terminable transgressions is extensive. She needs to be shown the door, not allowed to continue to wreck havoc on the heart and soul of our beautiful community. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-31888177370042143882013-08-09T19:28:16.333-07:002013-08-09T19:28:16.333-07:00Sorry 2:26 but continuing to grind that ax is as e...Sorry 2:26 but continuing to grind that ax is as explained, not going to help the cause of any party, because no thinking person wants anything to do with either one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-59429155857602518272013-08-09T19:21:37.448-07:002013-08-09T19:21:37.448-07:006:16. This is the reason we must have an informed ...6:16. This is the reason we must have an informed public. To use Stockdale's "debunk" word against him (I'm sure this stooge is still employed by the DOE)We must DEBUNK the National Monument FOSJ line drawn around San Juan County. The actual National Monument here is a total joke. A few rocks off shore, and a few Federal Bureau of Land Management acres on shore.<br /><br />But look out! Grab your shorts because it is obvious FOSJ wants this National Monument status to morph into the whole damn County.<br /><br />We need to tell the public the truth, and we need to do mailings to every tax payer and voter to do so. <br /><br />CSA, you want money? Trust Islanders, you too? <br /><br />Hope to see you both at the County Fair. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-85984327349035428962013-08-09T18:16:58.503-07:002013-08-09T18:16:58.503-07:00And I take great comfort also, in the knowledge th...And I take great comfort also, in the knowledge that Democrats are evil Libtards and therefore we must all continue to live within a partisan house divided.<br /><br />That way we are manipulated to fight each other, kept in the dark, remain disorganized in the face of the obvious.<br /><br />Propaganda bullshit. It doesn't really work any longer.<br /><br />See what is going on? As soon as logical questions for more information arise, as for example, what is going on with the National Monument Plan, all of a sudden its Area 51, black helicopters and flying saucers, and conspiracy kooks. This is so 2006.<br /><br />So, back to the question of "why" again, and by the way, what is going on with that National Monument Plan.<br /><br />Just askin' Been a few months. FOSJ says we're all inside a National Monument now, not just a few acres down Lopez del Sur?<br /><br />What's the plan?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-45440342679892906892013-08-09T16:59:24.949-07:002013-08-09T16:59:24.949-07:0011:15
Ron Zee welcome to the forum. Now I see your...11:15<br />Ron Zee welcome to the forum. Now I see your point. Nothing happening here, just move along. I feel better now that I know there is no "grand plan". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-62376541426318916322013-08-09T14:26:05.072-07:002013-08-09T14:26:05.072-07:00Democrats are the problem - keep ignoring the 300 ...Democrats are the problem - keep ignoring the 300 lbs gorrila in the room all you want (not Hale's ego) but the FACT is every single person the Trojanites rail against are leftist card carrying dems...all local problems stem from the libtards at the state and federal level, every single intrusive eco-fascist law originates from the dems...stop voting them inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-47144744738128769392013-08-09T13:44:55.379-07:002013-08-09T13:44:55.379-07:00@ 11:15 AM
Just follow the money, and remember th...@ 11:15 AM<br /><br />Just follow the money, and remember the words of the longshoreman philosopher:<br /><br />“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”<br /><br />― Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our TimeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-45445928268273806842013-08-09T12:37:16.979-07:002013-08-09T12:37:16.979-07:00There are two sides of the aisle here, and neither...There are two sides of the aisle here, and neither side is R or D, or even conservative/liberal.<br /><br />Those involved seem to fall into two very different groups.<br /><br />The first group, in power here for a long time one way or another, consists of those who are absolutely positive they know what is best for ALL things living including you and me. This extremely righteous bunch, a little on the narcissistic side, does not do well with criticism or even questions aimed at their forgone conclusions. <br /><br />Bottom line here is that these folks are difficult to work with.<br /><br />One the other side of the aisle we have (to shorten it up) the socially liberal/fiscally conservative/logic driven folk who seem to have a tougher hide on them than the first group. When things don't make sense they will look under every rock, until they find out why. This group tends to get pissed off with the first group telling them what they can and can't do especially when there appears no legitimate reason for it or benefit to it.<br /><br />As the power shifts back and forth across the aisle things can get nasty and that should surprise no one.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-4513096085217608552013-08-09T11:15:13.612-07:002013-08-09T11:15:13.612-07:00Opposition to the stewardship agenda of the Conser...Opposition to the stewardship agenda of the Conservation District and various private advocacy groups is fine -- it's your right as a citizen. <br /><br />But are you really serious that this is all a "grand plan" and a conspiracy? Seriously? Your attempt to tie all of these disparate -- and some opportunistic -- threads into a grand conspiracy narrative is pretty weak. <br /><br />You're trying to make this sound like the plot of an XFiles episode, without any of the good stuff that makes a conspiracy theory believable. <br /><br />Sorry, but you've jumped the shark and become a parody of yourself, Trojan HeronAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-16532949628068185822013-08-09T10:31:09.097-07:002013-08-09T10:31:09.097-07:00Why? Good question
National monument "planni...Why? Good question<br /><br />National monument "planning"?<br />Proposed "ocean zoning"?<br />Continual "updates" to our codes?<br /><br />Her incompetence is only surpassed by her arrogance and dillusional superiority. It's ok for Hale to defame reputable members of the public who dare to question her, going so far as to claim she feels "threatend" and suggesting maybe we should have armed sheriffs at public meetings. <br />Unreal. <br />BTW, we haven't even approached nasty yet in terms of rhetoric. Keep Hale in her position of doing things she is not qualified to do and the rhetoric may just get nasty. <br />We remain anonymous because those that show up at meetings and ask legitimate questions about the topic of the day are branded dangerous by Hale and requiring protection by armed LE. She even went so far as to suggest Gordy had committed a felony. <br />This isn't hyperbole, citations available upon request. <br /><br />Can we get rid of her with a mini initative? Maybe worth looking into. <br />That would be fun to write. Probably easy to get the necessary signatures too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-1587551328731573972013-08-09T08:17:24.147-07:002013-08-09T08:17:24.147-07:00It really isn't likely that someone in her cap...It really isn't likely that someone in her capacity could remain employed for so long given her performance record, without some kind of protection further on up the food chain.<br /><br />It just does not make sense. It comes down to the question: "Who does Shirene Hale work for?" <br /><br />What does the real organizational chart look like?<br /><br />The organizational chart "on the wall" shows her position reporting to the head of CDPP. That's just nonsense.<br /><br />I believe that Jamie Stephens will protect her as much as he can, and will work to smooth things over, explain away, use agenda tactics to distract. He will do what ever it takes to keep her exactly where she is.<br /><br />Why?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-1063134597921528452013-08-09T07:33:58.314-07:002013-08-09T07:33:58.314-07:008:39
I disagree. I have no power when it comes to...8:39<br />I disagree. I have no power when it comes to firing Shireene or not. I can only point out misconduct when I see it. It has been my belief since my first awareness of her involvement that she was a biased participant. (I posted at 5:53)<br /><br />What good would it do for me to state that to her face? Your comments seem silly to me. <br /><br />I will tell you tho'. I have spoken to her. Met her in her office and left shaking my head. She cannot discuss anything with real depth or understanding. She isn't planning to stay here. She is from Idaho. We looked at the "new" wetland maps...etc...etc...<br /><br />When I passed her on the dock some time after our meeting she looked sheepish and uncomfortable.<br /> <br />People just don't go around telling other people they don't like them...think they should be fired...etc. when they are in no position to affect a thing.<br /><br />Shireene is probably looking forward to another 4 or 5 years visiting the San Juans and getting paid to go over the CAO word for word again. Crazy making. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-67989129201973127412013-08-08T21:09:07.945-07:002013-08-08T21:09:07.945-07:00For sure. Let's have the courage and selflessn...For sure. Let's have the courage and selflessness of Sharon Kivisto and regularly shriek in public, practice yellow journalism and throw sharp objects at people we don't like.<br /><br />The logic is simple I guess. Firing is kinda nasty. We demand Shirene be fired. Ergo, we're all kinda nasty. <br /><br />Shirene has and will continue to be personally confronted over her misbehavior and insubordination. These confrontations are commonplace, and most certainly not confined to an anonymous blog. I believe you probably know that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-75687177494608911082013-08-08T20:39:07.538-07:002013-08-08T20:39:07.538-07:00Why are you people so nasty? None of you would eve...Why are you people so nasty? None of you would ever say these things to Shireene's face, all of you are cowards and bullies hiding behind an anonymous blog and all of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.<br />Who the hell do you think you are? Because you came up to the islands before someone else makes you special? What a laugh. If you so-called "islanders hate everyone who moved up here in the past few years why did you divied your precious land up and sell it off? Oh yea, GREED. Get a life, or at least find some courage and say things to people's faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-17380468844676278282013-08-08T18:29:28.531-07:002013-08-08T18:29:28.531-07:00Firing people is not fun. Only nasty people enjoy ...Firing people is not fun. Only nasty people enjoy it. Our past manager, he gets upset if his name is outed, was so conflict adverse that he never fired anybody (Well maybe that guy Johnson, another husband, who then fried the County)the point being that some people are good at this and others are not. I would have to say most are not.<br /><br />An interesting thing is when you get someone in a closed room and tell them it's goodbye, you learn stuff. Sometimes they spill their guts out and tell things you had no inkling of.<br /><br />A good manager has to fire people and done properly it can be a plus for all involved. (Just don't let money into that picture.)<br /><br />The very first time Ms. Hale went over the line, our manager should have hauled her in for a talk. After that it is sayonara. Long, long over due in this case. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-33457401997157667492013-08-08T13:26:53.803-07:002013-08-08T13:26:53.803-07:00@12:28
Sorry but Hale is not qualified to be presi...@12:28<br />Sorry but Hale is not qualified to be president for 2 reasons.<br />1) Must be a natural born citizen. Disqualified. Hale lists her place of birth as "The people's republic of dillusion, insanity, and nonsense". On a side note, she has been given a key to every city there. <br /><br />2) Candidate for president must be at least 35 years of age. Disqualified. Using our "individual specific relative age assessment factor", considering her CAO work product and hissy fits as they relate to members of the public questioning her word, we calculate her emotional and mentally adjusted age, using best available science, to be 10.7 years old. Or the equivalent of a 5th grader. <br /><br />Thanks for the suggestion though. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-2342845623097213912013-08-08T12:28:53.370-07:002013-08-08T12:28:53.370-07:00I think the complete mess Hale has us in more than...I think the complete mess Hale has us in more than qualifies her for a run at the presidency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-19530327930104910662013-08-08T11:55:09.575-07:002013-08-08T11:55:09.575-07:00@5:53
You present yet another reason that Hale sho...@5:53<br />You present yet another reason that Hale should be terminated. The list is long and you bring up a great point. I thought that her repeated defamation and false statements about members of the public, on more than one documented occasion. <br />Instead of using the true BAS, she used the ecology and FOSJ driven agenda. <br />The end work product here has the county being sued and appealed by more parties than imaginable. <br />The final document is complete non sense and clearly demonstrates that Hale is grossly incompetent. <br />Now she is attempting to blame everyone for the mistakes while taking zero responsibility. It's the old councils fault, it's ecologys fault. It's the CSAs fault. Not one single admission that, wow, I messed up. Not one. Complete lack of humility. Complete possession of dillusional arrogance. <br />Hale even admitted that "well it's complex. It's like trying to understand the tax code". And most noteworthy, even she doesn't understand parts of it ad could not explain those parts, of a document that SHE WROTE. <br />Let's add to that the secret gatherings where she couldn't recall just about anything. Anywhere else, that would have warranted an immediate dismissal or a contempt citation. But somehow Hale the bumbling dolt wannabe planner is allowed to continue. <br />So, @5:53 you probably have yet another item of terminable offenses to add to the already log list of Hale's failures and inexcusable actions. <br />Does it matter? She should have been shown the door. Now she is being allowed to continue "planning" for this county. This is disgusting and outrageous. She will likely be given the task of "fixing" her mistakes. They are beyond fixing and what is needed is a complete reset. To allow Hale to "fix" this colossal screw up is akin to requiring a rape victim to get grief counseling from her rapist. <br />I believe another poster is correct. She and fellow dolt Ed can be shown the door by a simple closed session vote. <br />In all likelihood, her sailing buddies and good friends in the HR department are feeding the council some bullshit about "it's not that easy" or "we can't just terminate her". Remember Ron H? Same thing. Give em some severance, hell, thank em if it makes you feel better. <br />Regardless, show her the door. Send her packing. The log term health, sanity, and harmony of our community depends on it. <br />Or, just ignore it, let her write storm water regulations that ensure her husband can continue justifying his unjustifiable existence, and find more ways to spend endless grant funds to develop more nonsense. <br />The county council needs to clean house, big time. This entrenched, self serving, arrogant staff attitude that Hale and several others possess should not be tolerated another minute. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-63905141186374846742013-08-08T07:29:18.971-07:002013-08-08T07:29:18.971-07:00@ 5:53 PM
Yes. This was part of the highly incons...@ 5:53 PM<br /><br />Yes. This was part of the highly inconsistent consistency hearings in the final days leading to the CAO passage.<br /><br />Hale was directed by Council, and agreed, to prepare a "matrix" that would associate each chapter of the Comprehensive Plan to each element of the CAO, and provide analysis at each point on consistency.<br /><br />This was never really done, even remotely close to what was asked for. And, it was really the only practical tool the Council had to conduct the consistency hearing properly.<br /><br />So, yes, Shirene willfully ignored the Council direction, in derogation of public policy, leading to Council failure to properly conduct the consistency hearings as required by law.<br /><br />Maybe this would be grounds for a petition. Maybe the new council will re-open this issue. Maybe they will open up the phone lines for this one? This is grounds for at will dismissal and should be fairly straightforward. She would probably sue for a million dollars aggravated assault, civil rights abuse, prevention of performance, slander, libel, gross misconduct. Sharon Kivisto would represent her ably in the local court of public opinion. They would lose.<br /><br />The response would be simple: "Consider this a divorce."<br /><br />Then, once we get the opinion back from the GMHB, with that dismissal accomplished, the Council would be in an excellent position to say: "Gosh, we just did not get that consistency hearing done properly did we now? Let's go back and do that again and see where we wind up."<br /><br />That would be a good thing to do. While in parallel, we roast the Conservation District slowly over the pit, squealing like a stuck pig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-1138838344535064982013-08-07T19:23:26.766-07:002013-08-07T19:23:26.766-07:00Correct me please if I am wrong, but I understand ...Correct me please if I am wrong, but I understand Ms. Hale, her husband, and many others are "at will" employees, and as such you don't need a reason to terminate any or all of them.<br /><br />There may be a termination period, a week or two, but in truth it is just about making a list, calling for an executive session and going for it.<br /><br />If you lose the council vote, so what. At least you have put the beggars on notice to kiss your ass or else. Heads up. In this new world it only takes a lousy two votes and you are gone, gone, gone.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com