tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post6305564463588776057..comments2023-12-07T00:44:23.610-08:00Comments on The Trojan Heron: Exposure Is EverythingECKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13031277544085651063noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-2541451687971744552014-02-18T13:35:26.783-08:002014-02-18T13:35:26.783-08:00@4:47 Exactly right, CSA has been protecting our ...@4:47 Exactly right, CSA has been protecting our rights for years now and the lawsuit is our last line of defense. We've been supporting them for years, and continue to do so. Time for everyone to pony up a donation for these tireless crusaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-2029838059807022442014-02-16T20:28:09.664-08:002014-02-16T20:28:09.664-08:00Trust Islanders is here. The time is coming.Trust Islanders is here. The time is coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-7216256362122908632014-02-16T19:09:42.297-08:002014-02-16T19:09:42.297-08:00Agree with John Evans, this is probably the most c...Agree with John Evans, this is probably the most cogent piece to ever appear just about anywhere regarding being on the WRONG ROAD, the wrong path, the path with a big hole in it. I wish every voter could read this piece.<br /><br />Only a really stupid person continues on such a path, yes, our current Council.<br /><br />Back to action. What if every voter WAS mailed this writing. Hello, Trust Islanders! My checkbook is in my hand!<br /><br />And let me be honest, one mailing is never enough. First you build positive recognition (I think Trust Islanders has this...congrats). And, then you build a relationship. It takes sincerity, it takes a righteous cause, and, of course, money. I think we have those things.<br /><br />And we don't stop. We don't quit, never ever. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-77583671842199102602014-02-16T17:50:24.200-08:002014-02-16T17:50:24.200-08:00A side topic, but you have to ask yourself, what w...A side topic, but you have to ask yourself, what would Menjivar do?<br />http://www.prisonplanet.com/cops-choke-and-tase-unresponsive-deaf-man-intentionally-burning-his-flesh.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-37426167899135067262014-02-16T16:48:32.754-08:002014-02-16T16:48:32.754-08:00The fact that so many of us are so completely oppo...The fact that so many of us are so completely opposed to the terms of these CAO'S absolutely do not reflect any disregard for natural environmental concerns, quite the opposite. the concern for the environment is properly in the arms of the citizens in the legal position to protect it.<br />it is only idiocy that buys into the approach that takes ownership tenancy and proprietary rights and responsibility concerns away from concerned citizens. This makes NO sense, none at all and may lead to precisely what it is said to defend from "Environmental Harm".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-53310644189154087422014-02-16T16:47:17.666-08:002014-02-16T16:47:17.666-08:00Support what effort?
The best and strongest effort...Support what effort?<br />The best and strongest effort right now is the CSA lawsuit.<br />Donations to them would be useful. I will send a little something since I am mentioning it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-84322990110812943162014-02-16T16:29:00.025-08:002014-02-16T16:29:00.025-08:00Ok let's go everyone willing to help support t...Ok let's go everyone willing to help support this effort can helpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-57176156358158457412014-02-16T16:07:34.926-08:002014-02-16T16:07:34.926-08:00A petition will have no effect at all, if the coun...A petition will have no effect at all, if the council members are unwilling to act on its requests. You can petition all you want, but until someone with power (Rick, Bob, Jamie) listens, it is just a piece of paper.<br /><br />San Juan County now allows citizen-proposed initiatives though, so we could get enough signatures to get something real and official on the ballot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-35161156644268159362014-02-16T16:04:18.446-08:002014-02-16T16:04:18.446-08:00We know they will not do what we need I guarantee ...We know they will not do what we need I guarantee it.<br />Isn't there something else couldn't a petition work, who has experience and or knowledge? Please chime inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-74779859114870532552014-02-16T15:54:08.585-08:002014-02-16T15:54:08.585-08:00If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anyt...If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. I think we know where they stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-7960094371981305072014-02-16T15:53:02.687-08:002014-02-16T15:53:02.687-08:00Rick, Bob - make a motion!
If you don't even ...Rick, Bob - make a motion!<br /><br />If you don't even try, we will know where you stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-56976174035371783362014-02-16T15:29:17.949-08:002014-02-16T15:29:17.949-08:00@2:30PM - John Evans from Orcas has it correct - a...@2:30PM - John Evans from Orcas has it correct - all it takes is two of our council members to stand up and say "this will not pass".<br /><br />Call them up now and ask them why they are moving this mountain of legislation forward?<br /><br />Pick a couple sentences out of the draft, and ask them if they can explain them to you. If they can't, they have no business voting in favor of it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-2194629994288311172014-02-16T14:59:39.193-08:002014-02-16T14:59:39.193-08:00@2:30
Our council that we worked our tails off to ...@2:30<br />Our council that we worked our tails off to elect were supposed to fix this.<br />That isn't going as planned.<br />I see the CSA lawsuit as the last line of defense. I read the suit and while it sounds good, I am not sure how solid it really is, or if it has a prayer.<br />Beyond that, you are looking at maybe civil disobedience maybe?<br />Stopping the FSOJ would be a good 1st step. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-17633170337289112912014-02-16T14:33:59.171-08:002014-02-16T14:33:59.171-08:00How about a petition, a petition demanding a publi...How about a petition, a petition demanding a public defense? We could do it everyone will sign, if they don't they should be reportedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-28321330364494797542014-02-16T14:30:53.688-08:002014-02-16T14:30:53.688-08:00Is anyone capable of burning this thing before it ...Is anyone capable of burning this thing before it burns us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-73208572088105081532014-02-16T14:08:19.333-08:002014-02-16T14:08:19.333-08:00Maxims of common law teach that:
"Unjust is ...Maxims of common law teach that:<br /><br />"Unjust is State power where the law is either uncertain or unknown."<br /><br />The CAO is an ordinance, therefore it is law. Laws create the state and justify state action. Laws are the state. To the extent people know the laws of a state and consent to their enactment and enforcement, the state is just because it is consensual. If laws are either uncertain or unknown, however, the state is unjust. Unless people know the laws that give the state power to control their lives, the consent that would validate the state’s power is not informed consent.<br /><br />Maxims of common law go way back, often times thousands of years. Is there increased uncertainty created by this CAO that did not exist under previous law? Yes. Is it possible to rationally analyze the CAO and have correct knowledge of it? No. Does the general public understand it? No.<br /><br />Therefore, no informed consent has been given because the CAO is nonsense and intentionally ambiguous. Yet it greatly expands local police powers over our personal and private activities and affairs.<br /><br />This is corruption that can only lead to mischief and evil. We see evidence all around us. It will be quite difficult to put this genie back in the bottle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-16358846038618644852014-02-16T13:31:37.685-08:002014-02-16T13:31:37.685-08:00You know who I really feel sorry for?
A traveling ...You know who I really feel sorry for?<br />A traveling fire extinguisher sales rep that comes to visit these island.<br />Imagine that guy leaving his brief case and sales sample sitting in a hallway of a public building so he can run in and use the public restroom.<br />Poor bastard.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-75793226595483016122014-02-16T12:41:15.831-08:002014-02-16T12:41:15.831-08:00@10:15
There was a bill in the state legislature l...@10:15<br />There was a bill in the state legislature last year or maybe started in 2012 with several small (population) counties attempting to withdraw from GMA planning. Bob and Rick were made full aware and encouraged to contact those involved and try to get SJ removed as well. <br />What has Rick done since taking office. The one clear swift action we have seen is appointing his campaign manager to the MRC within weeks of being sworn in. Then it took 6+ months to fill the remaining slots. <br />Aside from that, what else had been done?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-16513598574896716292014-02-16T11:11:00.351-08:002014-02-16T11:11:00.351-08:00This situation may well be the death of peace in S...This situation may well be the death of peace in San Juan county. Hatfield McCoy style hatred bigotry etc.<br />For the life of me I cannot accept this horrible new way of life, being subjected to overview in every action, or activity.<br />How can anyone not hate these people, not the people the ignorance they assign over us. There is a very deep seated evil looming over us. I never thought Those I thought were good people would let this happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-50661784033687895652014-02-16T10:31:08.634-08:002014-02-16T10:31:08.634-08:00There is nothing in the science about risks create...There is nothing in the science about risks created by residences, and the "absence of data" argument -- another favorite bullying tactic by the state -- is not the reason. There is no data on the risks created by residences for the same reason there is no data on the risks of surfing in Arizona.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-80975566057605202382014-02-16T10:21:35.451-08:002014-02-16T10:21:35.451-08:00@ECK
Or just leave things alone. Tom Starr gave t...@ECK<br /><br />Or just leave things alone. Tom Starr gave testimony about the CAO that is exactly right. We've been complying with all sorts of requirements for decades. Were they meaningless? Were all the protections that Tom had to comply with just a waste of time? Just leave things alone. As @6:03 said, we were required to review, and if necessary revise. No one has proven the "if necessary" part. Patty Miller kept falling for the state line that our old CAO didn't consider BAS. However, as ECK points out, BAS doesn't focus on problems anyway, so "considering BAS" only matters if you have a problem in the first place. We don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-3219572794610651082014-02-16T10:15:39.741-08:002014-02-16T10:15:39.741-08:00@ECK and @9:54
In reality, the whole GMA is bogus...@ECK and @9:54<br /><br />In reality, the whole GMA is bogus and just needs to be repealed.<br /><br />http://smllibertyroad.com/saturday-morning-live-for-feb-15-2014/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-10633290636414856422014-02-16T10:08:07.473-08:002014-02-16T10:08:07.473-08:00@9:54
Building a home shouldn't be like getti...@9:54<br /><br />Building a home shouldn't be like getting a hazardous waste discharge permit where you are subjected to endless monitoring reports and site specific studies. The burden of proof should not be on homeowners. Leave people alone. Single family homes and many other activities are given passes (because they are de minimis) when it comes to SEPA, for example. Why should we be subject to endless county environmental review when the state environmental review law exempts us? That could be one benchmark. If our activities are not subject to SEPA, then leave us completely alone. There might be other reasonable thresholds developed.<br />ECKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031277544085651063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-3881966780962017082014-02-16T09:55:56.951-08:002014-02-16T09:55:56.951-08:00Comments from John Evans, Doe Bay, Orcas
Hats off ...Comments from John Evans, Doe Bay, Orcas<br />Hats off and a mega salute to the Heron. This piece is the most clearly stated, logical and common sense report on the whole CAO mess that has been written in the years this fiasco has been unfolding.<br /><br />If the Heron has a philosopher on staff, they might address the question of why in the world the Friends, the County Council, County planners and those on the fringes of the environmental movement want to exercise this level of control over their neighbors. <br /><br />For the life of me I just don't get what the personal satisfaction or the reward is gained from holding a club over the citizens of the County. <br /><br />It only takes two votes and a refined snese of purpose for our current Council to set this mess aside and do the right thing for our community and frankly for the environment. The regulations, as currently proposed, will do little if anything to keep our islands from "falling in the same hole" yet again. We are on the wrong path to achieve the result of a healthy community and a healthy environment that most of us wish for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2025252027978265531.post-16164762917227412542014-02-16T09:54:10.243-08:002014-02-16T09:54:10.243-08:00You want us all to pay for site-specific studies j...You want us all to pay for site-specific studies just to get a permit to build something? Do you understand the time and costs related to doing a statistically significant site-specific study that could support a development proposal? I think this is not a realistic solution as well meaning as you may be. We need development regulations that even moderate income people can afford to comply with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com